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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 02:32 pm
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I talked to a woman about LOA. I told her that part of our source energy come here to expand. Some come for long time and some for short. She told me that her unborn baby died after 5 months of pregnancy and asked me what was the baby's intentions coming here dead. I am not sure what to answer her and will appreciate some input.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 02:46 pm
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Obviously this point of nonphysical consciousness desired to experience life and growth within the womb...a very particular physical experience...and that experience was "enough" to satisfy the desire...

There may have also been an agreement with the mother prior to this lifetime, where the other promised to participate in the mother's expansion--providing the contrast of perceived loss.

Why does a fly want to become a fly when his lifespan is only a few days? To the fly, it's still a lifetime, filled with subtle nuances of experience. Same with a fetus within the womb. There was a lifetime's worth of sensation and warmth and growth and love within that womb...and then, on to other experiences, elsewhere in the universe...

That's my take--
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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 02:51 pm
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This is just a thought about these questions in general.

Often times people use tragedies like a baby dying as possible proof that there is no God. But many people still feel like there must be a God, even if we can't explain why a God would "let" something like that happen. So while people might say "why would God let my baby die?" they still feel there is a God.

Now that we are awakening to Law of Attraction, we are once again thinking of these tragedies as possible proof that Law of Attraction is a hoax. How could law of attraction "let" that happen?

I just find that interesting.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 03:01 pm
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Good answer Chris.

angelman66 wrote:

 There was a lifetime's worth of sensation and warmth and growth and love within that womb...and then, on to other experiences, elsewhere in the universe...


I guess there is a hidden question here : when do life start or when does source energy enter the body

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 03:03 pm
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angelman66 wrote:
Same with a fetus within the womb. There was a lifetime's worth of sensation and warmth and growth and love within that womb...and then, on to other experiences, elsewhere in the universe...

Hello Chris,

I love what you said, about the experience being enough - whatever the length of the experience... And I do agree...

Joseph, I also lost a child. My second one died unborn in my womb and had to be taken out... Recently a thread by Sweet Peace helped me to an even better feeling understanding about this than I had before... It is the one, where she first lets us take part in her pregnancy and then in her miscarriage. And at that point some women started sharing their stories with beautiful Abish perspectives to it...

I just looked up the thread for you:
http://www.theabeforum.com/view_topic.php?id=18219&forum_id=2&highlight=pregnancy+miscarriage

I'm sure you will find some good and useful things to say to that woman. If she really gets that point she will even have an easier start into these teachings than without this experience. And then "The Vortex" would be the right book to start from there... because it explains so beautifully who we really are and what we come into this physical world for...

Love to you ::hearts::group

Anne


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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 03:05 pm
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mysticalcreator wrote: ... as possible proof that Law of Attraction is a hoax. How could law of attraction "let" that happen?

I just find that interesting.

Yes it is interesting. If I wanted a proof that the LOA is a hoax I would ask this Q in a different forum

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 03:11 pm
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Joseph wrote: mysticalcreator wrote: ... as possible proof that Law of Attraction is a hoax. How could law of attraction "let" that happen?

I just find that interesting.

Yes it is interesting. If I wanted a proof that the LOA is a hoax I would ask this Q in a different forum


I think what strikes me is that our collective conscious knows that there is a God eventhough "bad" things happen. But we have a hard time with the idea of LOA letting "bad" things happen. To me, it's the same concept so it's strange that we doubt LOA because of something like that. I guess what I'm saying is,  if this woman doesn't doubt God based on her baby dying, then why doubt LOA? See, I had similar doubts/questions years ago, and then I made this connection and it all sort of came together for me. But I have trouble articulating it. Anyways, just some thoughts on those big doubts that come up when sad things happen.

 

***and just to make sure we are on the same page, I know that you (joseph) are not asking if it's a hoax/doubting everything. I'm just observing the doubts that your friend may be going through.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 03:15 pm
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Joseph,

I'm in rush this morning for an appt. I found this quote in another thread; however, I don't have the references for this quote -- so bear that in mind. You may want to do some more searches on this forum for quotes with references. Here is the link to the thread:

http://www.theabeforum.com/view_topic.php?id=5359&forum_id=2&highlight=unborn+baby

 
“As the fetus is growing inside the mother, the Energy that is causing it to grow is the mother's Energy. The same Life Force that is flowing forth to the mother is what is perpetuating the growth of the baby. Now, the Nonphysical Energy that makes the decision, once the baby is born, to flow forth into the baby, is keenly aware of everything that is happening with that fetus before it decides to come forth. So, in every single case, some Nonphysical consciousness said, "I choose to go forth into this body for the experience of it." It's a deliberate choice, because from the Nonphysical perspective there is clear knowing that all really is well. And maybe a desire for a different perspective. It's hard to understand that, because most people look at these babies as poor defenseless little creatures. They are very old souls with lots and lots of knowing. They knew what they were doing when they came forth, and they would not have come forth into something accidentally. There are many babies that grow inside the mother, and when the birth process takes place, no one comes forth. They are called stillborn because, for whatever reason, the Nonphysical Energy did not choose to come forth. Sometimes it's because the mother really did not want the pregnancy. Sometimes it's because the mother really did not intend it, and so the Nonphysical Energy, lovingly, allows her that freedom. There are so many different combinations of intentions, both physical and Nonphysical, that we could spend the rest of your lifetime just trying to sort that out."


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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 03:22 pm
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Hmmm, I don't think the child intended to come into the world "dead". That larger Source-energy part of it changed its mind (for lack of a better expression) about fully coming into the world, is how I would interpret these things. For whatever reasons. We cannot know, because we never know how another is vibrating. The physical body that remained was exactly that - a physical manifestation from which consciousness had withdrawn. Just because we think the timing is off doesn't mean that that is so.

The basis of this whole line of thinking - as well as the thoughts of "Why would God allow something like this to happen?" - is the belief that death - especially "premature" death - is something horrible, some sort of punishment for our shortcomings. It is not. As we know here, it is simply the withdrawal of consciousness from this physical format and returning "home" to non-physical. Which is why some people who believe in God would state "God called the child home to heaven." That is definitely a more soothing thought.

We often forget that even in the womb we are powerful creators, sifting and sorting and deciding what pleases us most. Actually, the "smaller" we are, the less liable we are to be influenced by our surroundings and thus are more clearly able to discern our desires. Even a baby can modify its intentions based on what it experiences, both prior to birth and after. And choose to release all resistance and "return home" for its own perfectly good reasons.

Much love to you all,
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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 04:10 pm
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It comforts me to know from my own perspective that life never stops, whether physically focused or not.

I remember hearing Abraham talking about someone dying early and suggested that it wasn't much different than going into a movie and then deciding that it just wasn't that much fun and then walking out before the movie was over.

Joseph wrote:
Yes it is interesting. If I wanted a proof that the LOA is a hoax I would ask this Q in a different forum

And this feels like one of those riddles ....If LOA is real then based on how LOA works I COULD find evidence that it IS a hoax. That doesn't mean that it is--it just means that I get more of what I focus on because LOA is real.

Whether it is real or not I can find evidence for both. So what's at work here? Must be the LOA

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 06:31 pm
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angelman66 wrote: There may have also been an agreement with the mother prior to this lifetime, where the other promised to participate in the mother's expansion--providing the contrast of perceived loss.

This resonated with me.  There is always a reason for everything, no matter the circumstances, and that reason is: Expansion.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 07:10 pm
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Joseph wrote: I talked to a woman about LOA. I told her that part of our source energy come here to expand. Some come for long time and some for short. She told me that her unborn baby died after 5 months of pregnancy and asked me what was the baby's intentions coming here dead. I am not sure what to answer her and will appreciate some input.

Fetuses are not babies just as acorns aren't oak trees. If she miscarried or she delivered prematurely it's as a result of the vibe she had going (intentionally or unintentionally) as the energy that would have been her child hasn't yet focused itself into a personality.

Falling into obsessive behavior, worrying, negativity, pessimism, stress, or hatred all lend themselves to miscarried pregnancies. The energy that brings a fetus into existence is the same energy that brings a child out.

I wouldn't have any discussions with her on the topic unless you really feel she wants to know this kind of stuff because it's most likely a very sore, sore, subject for her. There's a lot more I wanted to add to this but don't have time.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 26th, 2010 10:52 pm
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sitting in an airport. will be home in about 14 hrs. F$%^&*ing contrast... Will read and respond later.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 27th, 2010 03:37 am
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Safe travels home, Joseph!

And we could say the same thing to that 'baby' and to her mother:  travel 'home' to the alignment with Source. 

The energy that was that baby re-emerged into non-physical.
And the mother can do the same, knowing that fact, instead of using it as a reason to feel badly.  But honestly, people who are out of the Vortex can't really hear this stuff, and so it's better just to coax them into the Vortex, or if that pulls us out, then to leave them alone.

If I were feeling strongly in my Vortex, I might say something like,

"We can never really know what another person's intentions are, but we can know how we feel, and I feel better when I think that this baby had a reason for not being carried to term.  Whether it is TRUE or not, I don't know. But I do like feeling better."

See you on the board when you get back!
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PS Something that helps me while I travel on commercial airlines, is thinking how kind I am for sharing my private jet with all these other passengers! I'm so generous!::LOL

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 Posted: Tue Jul 27th, 2010 05:18 am
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I have learned after 3 children that arrived in a wonderful way and 3 that did not arrive that those spirits have their own agenda and I am the vehicle for bringing them here if and when they decide. The ones that came and stayed have had a delightful play time with me and I with them. 

My first child took 7 years to arrive. That child had a plan from the start and is a mover and a shaker her timing was perfect for what she needed to do. My last pregnancy was with twins. I fell down steps and one of the twins abandoned ship. After a few months in bed an adorable tiny little girl arrived and the delivery Dr. told me that if I had carried twins to term we all would have died from a ruptured uterus. I don't know whose plan that was or if the fall was my own self knowing. I do know I love this darling girl that is with me and I also love the one I have enjoyed from afar. That child may yet come forth at another better time, or it may be someone else. Really she can take heart.... not finished here yet.

Love

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 Posted: Wed Jul 28th, 2010 12:32 pm
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Thanks to everyone that responded to the this thread and to all who read it. I appreciate every post and learn something from each one. Thank you Leslie for sharing your privet jet with me - the flight went smoothly. I appreciate the pilot that landed in the airport and not in the Hudson river I am glad he didn't have in his vibrations being a hero.

There are a lot of desires and intentions from each point of view , physical and non- physical , fetus and mom. We can't sort all of them. All we can do is to find our way into the Vortex.

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OMS, I forgot I posted that!!!! I just wrote on another thread how I manifested a trip on a private jet next week!!!! I love that!!!!!!! AAIIG!!
Life is so good.

Welcome back, Joseph!

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 Posted: Thu Jul 29th, 2010 05:03 am
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I lost my baby too, at nine weeks. It's quite a journey and I'm pretty sure I felt every emotion in the book. I can only imagine what it would feel like at 5 months.

I started the attached thread when I started getting 'worriesome' news.

http://www.theabeforum.com/view_topic.php?id=18219&forum_id=2&highlight=my+pregnancy

There are some incredible insights and stories posted here. Maybe this will help.

I found a lot of peace in the support and love from my friends, family and the people on this forum. I started looking for the things that were going right in my life and the positive things that came to me through this experience. For example, I made some incredible connections with people and I could feel relief in my companies sick leave policies, I was encouraged by the wonderful medical support I received and so on.

Something I think that is important to remember is that 'why' doesn't really matter and in cases like this it often can't be determined. What matters is that it is still possible to feel good even in the direst of situations and that reaching for relief will get her there. Anything that feels good. Tell your friend to be good to herself and do what she needs to feel good.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 29th, 2010 10:20 am
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MiAlma wrote: There is always a reason for everything, no matter the circumstances, and that reason is: Expansion.



Hi Joseph, I lost my first son, who I very much wanted and who was a person in his own right before he was born, when I was 6 1/2 months pregnant. It was a time of major expansion, and a glimpse of the infinite, so I would say that simply describing it as a time of huge expansion is probably the best Abeish expression of empathy you can give.

It's probably worth remembering too that lots of women have a negative time when they are pregnant and do not lose their babies. It's too complex a situation to understand.

My love for my son, who we named before he died, was so huge it opened my heart chakra to the point where I was flooded with feelings of unconditional and universal love and it opened my mind to something I hadn't previously known - so major expansion. The grief and loss were largely healed when I had my 2nd son. I still think of our boy, often. He would be 16 now so I think of him as my 16 year old.

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Thank you for this. My son just lost his wee babe at 10 weeks and my Grandmother heart is aching for them and all of our family. I have been searching through LOA information for some sort of understanding. Fortunately I have many LOA Facebook friends who have been very helpful. It doesn't lesson the pain but it does help to let light in. <3 


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