| Author | Post |
|---|
Flower Power
Member
| Joined: | Sat May 3rd, 2008 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 159 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 06:14 am |
|
Patricia b wrote: So all it means when those people make comments about your jobs or lover is that YOU need to do more vibration-strengthening on those topics.
Just silently thank them for bringing you the message.
Flower Power **flexing her muscles !!**
Tks Pat !! 
|
Flower Power
Member
| Joined: | Sat May 3rd, 2008 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 159 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 07:08 am |
|
Oceanturquoiseblue wrote: You don't have to worry about what their vibration is if your vibration is one of connection. Because if your vibration is one of connection -- you're going to dominate the vibration. This is the way you learn your relationships.
Excerpted from the workshop in El Paso, TX on Thursday, March 28th, 2002
Hi Ocean - I believe when Abraham mentioned relationships - they meant relationships in general but my question is none other than concerning my other half 
Just say my vibrational level of happiness / positiveness is better than his, so will it really help lift up his vibration too ??
Tks !! 
|
Oceanturquoiseblue
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 21st, 2008 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 511 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 03:15 pm |
|
Hi 
I don't know about it changing him particularly, but it will change your experience of him.
...He'll take his lower moods elsewhere.
...He'll share more of his higher moods and thoughts with you.
..When he is vibing lower, you'll be so busy feeling better at your higher vibe that you will see and think about him differently.
It really is about concerning yourself only with your own vibe however close you are to someone.
Let yourself be surprised!
Check out the first post on this thread http://www.theabeforum.com/forum2/5197.html
Ocean x 
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 03:16 pm by Oceanturquoiseblue
|
ghanima
Member
| Joined: | Mon Mar 17th, 2008 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 484 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 03:43 pm |
|
Oceanturquoiseblue wrote:
I'm not saying you're the same, ghanima!
Instead you were saying exactly what I was trying to say myself!
|
Oceanturquoiseblue
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 21st, 2008 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 511 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 04:20 pm |
|
ghanima wrote: Oceanturquoiseblue wrote:
I'm not saying you're the same, ghanima!
Instead you were saying exactly what I was trying to say myself!
I needed to hear it too! 
|
Norma
Member
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 04:55 pm |
|
WOW. This is an excellent thread. I am so impressed with the wisdom that I'm reading here. Thank you to everyone who posted. I had to read the entire thread before I let myself post because it was all so insightful.
All you guys and gals rock!
Here's the sticky point. I too am having vibration issues with my other half. If I get too happy he vibrates right out of my life. Abraham says if we are in alignment we can uplift the other person, but if we get so far up the scale beyond what they can achieve they will vibrate right out of our lives. (This is traumatic, I can see why Abraham counsels agains quantum leaps.) This keeps happening to me. (This is the third time.) I've been wanting him to get happier, but I can't do that for him.
I have feelings of doubt about whether he can ever get to a place where he would be an uplifter for me. Yet another part of me keeps wanting to try, and I feel that part may come from a place in me that isn't feeling my well being. So I am staying away, and reaching for a feeling of relief as much as I can. But it's a struggle. I wish I could just be of one mind on all of this.
|
Oceanturquoiseblue
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 21st, 2008 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 511 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:08 pm |
|
Hi Norma (again!) (very nice chatting with you today)
Can I ask you a question?
Right now what are you expecting of your husband? Of his moods? Of your interactions with you? Of what he can do for you?
It sounds a little like you want him to raise his vibe, but you're telling a story that expects him not to. Could you imagine the two of you 'high-vibing' together, first?
Does that kind of image feel with your mind's reach?
I have a couple of people in my life (at least!) that I am experiencing this with. I keep meaning to try and accept them as they are first and focus on what feels good about them...
I'm sure I'll get there sometime!
HUGS
Ocean x
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 05:09 pm by Oceanturquoiseblue
|
Oceanturquoiseblue
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 21st, 2008 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 511 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:13 pm |
|
Norma wrote: ...I wish I could just be of one mind on all of this.
I'm learning that there are as many minds/perspectives on everything as there are people and moments!
And that in each moment we get to choose.
There's always a choice.
So, with the things I want to feel more clear about and focused on I am finding ways to keep reminding me...
...what to choose in each moment!
I think that's a way of being of one mind.
Ocean x 
|
Norma
Member
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:50 pm |
|
We do seem to be riding the same wave today! Nice chatting with you too!
"High vibing!" I used to imagine it. But the reality seems to be that whenever someone in his vacinity is "high vibing it" he gets extremely angry. So he or they vibe themselves right out of each other's space. That's what happened to us.
I'm having a hard time accepting that LOA works that way. I have an old thought from the early days of the "new age" that "spiritual people" ought to be able to get on with everyone. I am suspecting that this isn't the case. You may love everyone, but for some you must do it from a safe distance.
Yes, I can see that I can get so strong in my awareness of my own worth and well being that if he gives me "you're not OK" messages, then don't bring me down, but I am coming to feel that two people who are in very contrasting feeling places cannot be in proximity to each other without severe clashing. LOA doesn't create that without one of the two really working hard to go against the flow. And until now, we have both been in that space. Working hard to be where we don't feel that good fit, but for other reasons forcing ourselves to perservere. (Not following the guidance of our EGS.)
I guess I am not 100% following my EGS yet. I still have other thoughts in there that I am giving credence to, and they keep turning me upstream.
Thanks for listening.  Wish I could be more downstream with this, but I'm having a difficult day. Way low on the EGS.
|
Norma
Member
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:57 pm |
|
I found another thread on the 17 theme. I'm going to hang out with that for a while to raise myself on the EGS. Thanks to all who have chewed with me here.
Love, 
Norma
|
Oceanturquoiseblue
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 21st, 2008 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 511 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 06:17 pm |
|
Norma wrote: We do seem to be riding the same wave today! Nice chatting with you too!
"High vibing!" I used to imagine it. But the reality seems to be that whenever someone in his vacinity is "high vibing it" he gets extremely angry. So he or they vibe themselves right out of each other's space. That's what happened to us.
I'm having a hard time accepting that LOA works that way. I have an old thought from the early days of the "new age" that "spiritual people" ought to be able to get on with everyone. I am suspecting that this isn't the case. You may love everyone, but for some you must do it from a safe distance.
Yes, I can see that I can get so strong in my awareness of my own worth and well being that if he gives me "you're not OK" messages, then don't bring me down, but I am coming to feel that two people who are in very contrasting feeling places cannot be in proximity to each other without severe clashing. LOA doesn't create that without one of the two really working hard to go against the flow. And until now, we have both been in that space. Working hard to be where we don't feel that good fit, but for other reasons forcing ourselves to perservere. (Not following the guidance of our EGS.)
I guess I am not 100% following my EGS yet. I still have other thoughts in there that I am giving credence to, and they keep turning me upstream.
Thanks for listening. Wish I could be more downstream with this, but I'm having a difficult day. Way low on the EGS.
I guess it's quite a leap up the EGS from where he is.
Abe does says that, between two people whoever's vibe is strongest will be dominant.
How strong is your higher mood? Is it stronger than his anger? Or - especially once he gets angry - are you swaying back and forth between your higher vibe and something lower (frustration, pessimism etc)??
From another point of view I try to remember to "Match and Lead" (which is less about the other person than it might sound; but might raise arguments from abe'rs here!)
You match their breathing and posture and tone just for for a moment or two and then possibly lead from there with your breathing and posture and tone, up the EGS.
NB It's not about encouraging an angry person down from anger to despair.
It's more about the fact that any and all of us resist being forced from where we are, so some kind of acceptance of where we are first (verbal or non-verbal) can help. I can PM you an example of this if you are interested.
The anger thing reminds me... perhaps he needs to be angry for now. (Of course I haven't met him!). Anger feels so much more empowering than depression/despair. Unconditional anger that is. And not acted out on you or anyone else. Anger that he doesn't have to defend to anyone. Maybe that will "free him up" (the EGS!!)
Apart from that I don't know what to say. I'm sure others here will have different perspectives and words of comfort to offer.
Perhaps go easy on yourself on a difficult day like today and don't expect to get all the answers... just to feel (even a little) better.
From the tone of your posts, you may be doing better today than you have been giving yourself credit for, though!
Ocean x
P.S. Maybe you love everyone for your own sake (it's much more uplifting), like Abe says that they may not deserve your good words about them, but you deserve your good words about them. The new age thing about loving everyone doesn't imply that you enjoy/benefit from their company if where they are is not where you are!! And it doesn't mean you can help them!
P.P.S. When you feel a bit better than today maybe you'd like to write about what kind (not who exactly) of person you really want to be with - then BoPA your partner - and leave it up to the Universe to see if it thinks you are a good fit.
Perhaps read what B2reflect (Beth) wrote on this thread http://www.theabeforum.com/forum2/5508.html ...Just discovered you're on that thread!
YOU DESERVE TO FEEL HAPPY NORMA!
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 06:18 pm by Oceanturquoiseblue
|
Oceanturquoiseblue
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 21st, 2008 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 511 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 06:28 pm |
|
Oceanturquoiseblue wrote: From another point of view I try to remember to "Match and Lead" (which is less about the other person than it might sound; but might raise arguments from abe'rs here!)
You match their breathing and posture and tone just for for a moment or two and then possibly lead from there with your breathing and posture and tone, up the EGS.
NB It's not about encouraging an angry person down from anger to despair.
It's more about the fact that any and all of us resist being forced from where we are, so some kind of acceptance of where we are first (verbal or non-verbal) can help. I can PM you an example of this if you are interested.
Disclaimer:
Actually, I wouldn't call it "match and lead" now I know better. I'd call it "acknowledge, acknowledge and assert"!
...Acknowledging where the other person is and then acknowledging where you are and where you want to go. And going there.
Asserting yourself from there.
It's like offering a hand, rather than grabbing!
Of course, he may not take your hand.
It's still up to him.
I think in Abe terms, you're providing a gentle distraction, that may or may not be accepted.
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 06:35 pm by Oceanturquoiseblue
|
Norma
Member
|
Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 01:25 am |
|
Well, talking about a dominant vibration. If someone is angry and needs support, one can be supportive, but it someone is angry and blaming you for their anger, and being abusive, I think Abraham would say, get yourself outa there!
I can accept him and what he's going through, but just because someone says they love you doesn't mean they even know what that is. I love how Abraham teaches us to embrace all our feelings. It gives us patience to go through the phases to work our way of the EGS.
The new age thing about loving everyone doesn't imply that you enjoy/benefit from their company if where they are is not where you are!! And it doesn't mean you can help them!
I get this. And I love everybody because it feels so good to love. Its thinking that you have to be able to help someone, or be close to them that throws a monkey wrench into it. But if I accept that I can love someone, even though I can't be with them, then I think I can find my peace with it all.
Abraham says you can't create in some else's life. I think that relates to that you can love someone, but that doesn't mean you can make them grow, or heal.
It seems like all we can do is get ourselves up the EGS and the other person is either going to follow or not. You can't make them. And you can't hold yourself back, that just hurts you.
|
ghanima
Member
| Joined: | Mon Mar 17th, 2008 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 484 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 01:30 am |
|
To me, the question is: can you love yourself when you love him? or do you have to choose? if you have to choose, of course you'll choose yourself.
I am in a similar situation and I don't yet have a sure answer to that question, therefore I wait and see.
Last edited on Sun May 18th, 2008 01:32 am by ghanima
|
Flower Power
Member
| Joined: | Sat May 3rd, 2008 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 159 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 01:57 am |
|
Oceanturquoiseblue wrote: Hi < == Love the flower !!
I don't know about it changing him particularly, but it will change your experience of him.
...He'll take his lower moods elsewhere.
...He'll share more of his higher moods and thoughts with you.
..When he is vibing lower, you'll be so busy feeling better at your higher vibe that you will see and think about him differently.
It really is about concerning yourself only with your own vibe however close you are to someone.
Let yourself be surprised!
Ocean !! Again you are brilliant !!!! 
|
Current time is 06:28 pm | Page:   1 2 3 4 5   |
|