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Argeneux
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 Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 09:16 pm
I love the quote of the day but this one has really thrown a spanner in the works.

I recently got a traffic fine that was very unfair so after much consideration of what felt right I decided to contest it in court to have the penalty reduced as it would affect my life in a big way. The court date is in a couple of weeks and I was feeling good about it, had lined myself up with it, confident it would go well.

Abraham's quote of the day 2 days ago was:

"We would never go to court for any reason, because that is a physical act of exclusion as big as we've ever seen it, and we've never seen anybody ultimately benefit from that.


Excerpted from a workshop in Los Angeles, CA on Sunday, February 2nd, 1997"

What do you think this means? Does Abraham mean by "exclusion" that I am shouting no at it and resisting what has happened and therefore I shouldnt fight it? Even if it feels ok?

Does this mean if I go ahead I will be attracting more of the same?  If im feeling good about it, wont it be ok?

Any input appreciated. ::TU

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Pay the fine, go to court, dont dwell on it, then forget about it.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 09:59 pm
Hi Argeneux,

Exclusion means you are trying to remove something from your experience by focusing on it. Going to court is a good example of exclusion which is why it feels so bad. However now that you have actually decided to go to court and have made the decision - just line up with it. I think you already have actually which is why you felt good about it. Afterall that may be the path of least resistance for you to get what you want - the fine reduced. You were feeling good because you were focused on the solution that the court will provide. So if you felt good your inner being says its o.k!!!!

Taking somebody to court is not the same as contesting your fine through the court - so even though in the future you may reconsider going to court, for now just see it as the way you have chosen as the best means to deal with your fine. Its no big deal and the worst that can happen is that you still have to pay - but then you can ask for more money and line up with that! KEEP HAPPY and FEEL GOOD  - don't focus any more on it except for the hour or so on the day when you have to be there. That's not long is it?

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 Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 11:23 pm
I think so too, these are not the same thing. This is a one time thing where you are not going after anyone - you are just saying - hey, I didn't do that. I know bunch of people who got out of paying fines this way. Just allign and it will be fine. ::music

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 04:09 am
Sigh... yes, this quote has been asked about before, as it seems to invite misunderstanding. (And understandably so!)  Abraham, when they make categorical statements like this ("We would NEVER....") are usually making them in response to a particular question, and Esther is choosing words for the blocks of thought offered, which match the vibration of the person doing the asking.  Does this make sense? In other words, if the person in the hotseat asking about whether to sue someone or not sue someone is vibrating "fight fight fight" - and - "Pushing against" their "opponent", then Abraham's response will be "we would never do that!" because this will never work.  As has already wisely been pointed out, this is a universe of INCLUSION, so, as Abraham says, when you try to shout "no" at something or someone, the Universe only see/hears that you are giving it your attention - so it effectively works out as a "yes" anyway!

So should you go to court? It all depends on how you FEEEEEELLLL!  Should you go to court with an attitude of resentment and anger and maybe even disempowerment - trying to "get yours" and to punish another? Well, probably not - unless you do some major vibration raising - it just isn't going to work in your favor otherwise. But if you are going to court the same way you go to a meeting at work, - to speak your piece in an atmosphere of trust that everything always works out for you, whatever the outcome of the proceedings, and you feel INSPIRED to take this action - then why not? There is no action that is better or worse than another except what your guidance tells you..

If it FEELS GOOD to go in and take care of something in court - then by all means! 

I think that when Abraham said "we would never go to court", they meant "we would never start a big pushing fight against someone with the intention of excluding something from our experience".  They didn't mean they'd never enter the walls of the courthouse for any reason.  Let's remember that even Abraham, speaking through the wonderful Esther, is speaking in CONTEXT and the quotes we see are taken from that context.  Abraham never said "we will come forth and spew quotes, one after another in tiny sound bytes". Nope.  What they say is that they respond to OUR ASKING, and their answers make much more sense when taken in the context of that asking.

I drove my daughter to a hospital a couple of years ago and she was taken into emergency surgery.  Of course when we arrived I didn't know she'd be an "emergency", so I had left my car at paid parking, where you purchase time by putting coins into a machine which gives you a slip of paper with a time on it.  At some point I realized it must have run out, and I grabbed some coins and ran outside, while she was still in surgery.  When I got to my car, I found the parking machine was jammed.  I didn't have anything to write on to leave an explanation on my windshield, so I just let it go and ran back in.  Sure enough, when I finally came out again, I had a ticket.

When I got home, I mailed in the ticket with my written expanation saying I did not want to pay and explained the circumstances.  I was given a court date to explain it all to a traffic judge.  I attended that, and the judge asked for proof of my daughter's hospitalization.  I felt sort of silly, having not even thought to bring that.  I said, Your Honor, I forgot to bring that, but if you let me come back another day I can provide it.  He said fax it tomorrow.  I promised to do that.  Then he canceled my parking ticket.  I pushed against nothing, so nothing pushed back.

There are as many different "cases" as there are humans, so be easy about it all, and do what feels best and don't worry whether it jives with this or that quote from Abraham.

:allgoodJody

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 05:11 am
I think the answer that abraham would give is that the courtroom is not the source of your abundance/escrow.

Our alignment with our desired outcome is what will bring the result we desire into manifestation.  Not the judge, lawyers, jury.  Let the universe handle it.

 

 

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 05:31 am
Thank you all greatly. This is such a relief to have your reassurance and redirection.

I am approaching the court as "just a room with people in it" and I am open to whatever outcome happens.... so no pushing against, no fighting...

the main word for this for me is I am appealing, not fighting, and just as Jody said Im just gonna go along and say my piece and see what happens, knowing the universe looks after me.  I feel good about it.

Thank you all so much. The quotes are so life changing some times and I wasn't sure how literal to take it and your comments have shifted me back up the EGS.

::TU

 

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 09:26 am
    Hi Argeneux,

some weeks ago I was in a similar situation and found relief in the following Abraham quote - it's a snippet from the LA workshop 2/2/08 which I transcribed for you:

"(...) and Esther said: 'Oh good, now I have Abraham I can tell if people are lying or not because they can sniff them out.'

Immediately she turned on one of the judge shows on television and watched some courtcase, and she wanted us to proclaim who was telling the truth and who wasn't.

And we said to Esther 'A much better use of your time would be to ask 'Who believes what they're saying?'.
Because it doesn't matter, everyone has their opinion about things, but are they believing what they are saying?
'Are they speaking about what they believe to be?' is a much more useful understanding.(..)"


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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 04:25 am
I have been told by many people in the past 2 months to take my ex back to court for more child support.  I have already decided about 10 years ago not to ever go back to court for this.  I have made peace with it and have learned to accept the way it is.  I do not want to go through more junk than I need to.  I do not want this in my pie.  I do not want my ex in my pie.  He has his own pie and I keep out of it and just appreciate everything I have and will have.  I felt a great weight lifted off of me 10 years ago, I do not plan on having this weight brought back on me.  I always try to explain to people why I don't want to go back to court and some people get it and others don't but I don't care what they think, I am in a much happier place now than then.

In other words, he has his pie and I have mine.  I let him go about his pie as I re-created mine.  Just feel good about what you are doing and everything will work out for you. 

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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 04:39 am
Go to court if you want. 

There are no rules, nothing is off limits.  Abraham knows that.  But I am sure that Abe quote was misquoted or something.

La ti ta! ::downstream

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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 06:52 am
Alex, actually the quote is accurately transcribed.  I understand how you might think it was a misquote,  however, please see my comments above on taking Abe quotes out of context of the asking.  I agree with you about Abraham saying nothing is off limits - it's all a matter of using our inner guidance.  Sometimes eating a Twinkie is a good thing, and sometimes it's not.  Sometimes going to court is just the perfect inspired action, and sometimes it's not.
:exactly:

::heartsJody

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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 07:51 am
I guess I mis-stated what I meant to say.  I didn't mean to say misquote, but I meant quoted out of context. :)   I was agreeing with your post from up above.

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i have 'fought' traffic tickets when i felt they were not deserved. (and i've won). i did it because i felt more aligned standing up for myself and stating my case, than i would have felt just giving in and paying them off. so i felt good about the process and was certain it would go my way. i never got upset about it or felt like i was in battle or anything, i was just doing what felt good to me. so for me, it was a positive experience.

a trickier situation is, i have a friend who is going to have to go to court and into a custody battle with her ex. she doesn't want to, but it is clear her ex has become a dangerous person, so what else can she do? if she doesn't go to court he will get shared custody and could really damage this young child. she doesn't want to battle him or even try to change him, just protect the child from him. the only advice i could give her was to keep her focus on the well being of the child and just present the evidence matter of factly without allowing it to get ugly.  

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 Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 09:21 am
It is indeed a tricky issue isnt it? Court? The world has become such a litigious place and I totally get that it could be 'pushing against'...

I feel ok about it.... i keep going back to some of Jody's and everyones words here, it is about how i feel about it... I am relaxed, its just a meeting,

I am open to all outcomes... I may lose my licence, I may pay more fine, but mostly likely, things will go well, because the universe is kind, and if I get out of the way, thats how things go in the stream.

Thank you all for your thoughts. I guess lot of people find themselves here, and its a good lesson too in listening to your hearts even when the quote is there in black and white.  (Abraham still rocks tho').

Its in a couple of weeks, I'll let you know how it goes!

:oars:  Ax

 

 

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 Posted: Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 08:03 am
The day finally came to go to the Court yesterday. I went along, totally open to whatever happened and knowing wellbeing was natural and I could just relax, that whatever the outcome, things would be fine...

The outcome was great! From a 3 month suspension to just 2 weeks....  and it all feels good.

Thanks to all for their input on this issue..

Argeneux

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 Posted: Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 11:09 am
::woohooThat's great news Argeneux! Congratulations!:kiss:

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 Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2013 10:39 pm
I totally agree. It is all about how you are feeling. I would also add, that in my experience, even when I'm feeling good, the vibration of any court room I've ever been in and even any court house I've ever walked into (even for jury duty) was a very low vibration place and I wouldn't do anything to purposely put myself in such a low vibrational space. However, that is me and everyone has to decide for themselves.

Another thing that I've noticed is that people make different decisions given the exact same scenario when they are at different vibrations, so I would strongly urge anyone thinking about going to court to really see what they are feeling.

Often times, once some one does and then later goes up in vibration they wish they hadn't have done it.

But then again, that can relate to anything else, too, not court.

Nothing is off the table because we are free to choose to do anything, even things to our own detriment.

Again, it all goes back to how you feel about it and if you want more of that thing.

:allgood

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