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Has Abraham ever talked about "magic spells"?
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WinnerIneverysense
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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 12:21 am
I firmly believe in magic spells. Magic spells are performed using the Law of Attraction principles.  One thing that Abraham says is that you cannot use the Law of Attraction to manipulate another person. Well, shameful to say I IN MY YOUNGER DAYS dabbled a lot with love magic spells and was very successful with them. I and many people I knew back then were into magic and were using it to MANIPULATE OTHER PEOPLE, for good or for bad. This is something that I KNOW, I BELIEVE AND I'M MORE THAN SURE is true because I've witnessed this with all my 5 senses. I seen it and witnessed it many times. So I'm a bit confused, since Abraham and many other people say you cannot in any way manipulate another person or their life. As I said, with magic spells this is MORE than possible.  Has Abraham every talked about this? If so, can you quote Abraham? What do you guys think about this?? Thoughts and opinions are all welcomed.  May Peace & Abundance be with you all! :kiss:

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 12:40 am
::stardustWe all are magic - whatever you believe IS! Anything that you want and can bring to expectation/belief is possible. Indeed many people who have no faith whatsoever in their own power can easily believe in magic spells or indeed in anything you like and it will work! BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WILL!!!!

So... Abracadabra - what do you want to manifest? Anything you believe in is possible.

You cannot vibrate for another and you cannot create for them. But you can influence their thoughts - but it is still their choice whether to listen!
::stardust

Here's some magic:

Take a fresh sprig of desire

A good spoonful of belief

And a generous sprinkling of good feelings...

Stir it all up and leave it in the sun to cook... go off and stroke your cat

And HEY PRESTO!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhh! A beautiful manifestation! Mmmmmmmm smells good! Pie anybody???
::grapevinemypie::rainbow


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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:07 am
I always thought of spells as a way to focus your energy (if you are performing them).

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:43 am
cara wrote:
You cannot vibrate for another and you cannot create for them. But you can influence their thoughts - but it is still their choice whether to listen!

How can you explain someone who had no interest in you at all, all of a sudden fall madly and obsessively in love with you AFTER a spell was done on that person? ::wowI think that's MORE than influencing their thoughts. I'm going to ask Abraham this next time I see them.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 02:13 am
To clarify for the original post:

Most people are Creating largely by Default.  So you can easily influence them.  Your power of influence is very strong.  I hope that explains how your magic spells were able to work :-)

All the Best,
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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 04:46 am
I had read a book named 'Clairvoyance and Occult Powers', it explains how this works.

A human body is like a tuning fork, when we have a thought toward somebody, we  send out the thoughtform causing vibration throughout the space, by induction this thoughtform would be received by the person if his aura is vibrational resonance with this thoughtform or his mind is not strong enough to reject the thoughtform that he could be influenced easily.

So when you're using you will power to manipulate another person, you're sending a powerful thoughtform to 'attack' the person mentally, then that person who received this thoughtform, would generate the identical thought by his subconscious, he would think that he is the one who originated this thought, but in fact this thought was put into his mind by you.

I hope this will help~~:)

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 04:55 am
I don't recall Abe saying that we couldn't manipulate or influence other people. What Abe says is that we cannot create in another's experience. There is a difference between the two.

Just like your positive thoughts will attract positive aspects to be attracted to you. I wouldn't go so far as to say that a person is being manipulated in that situation, but your thoughts and actions can definitely have an effect on others.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 05:32 am
I had been involved in Magic over the years - and It occurred to me that Segment Intending and Pre-Paving were the strongest (by so far) "spells" I had ever experienced. Pure Magic!!!

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 09:16 am
I don't have an exact quote but I remember Abe saying that one person who is DELIBERATELY creating is hundreds of times more powerful than many who are creating by default.
So while you cannot vibrate or create FOR them, your influence on them can be great, while they don't necessarily have to even know what's going on for it to happen.

I imagine that what's happening in a case of a "magic spell" is that your deliberateness and your belief in what you are doing is much more powerful than their non-deliberate, default creating.
They are still doing the creating, but because they are offering no deliberate intent about the issue, their creation is influenced.
I suppose that someone who was actively and deliberately creating their own experience would not be susceptible to such a spell.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 10:53 am
The desire to ATTRACT a person to your field of experience is not by accident created. Certainly  there is a connection invibrational level of this two person which are coming together acoording to their vibrational desires.
interesting question
the law of attraction explains all
thank you.
WE ARE ALL MAGICIAN  CREATING STARS GALLAXIES AND CELEBRATING THIS CREATIVE PROCESS
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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 11:33 am
spica22 wrote: The desire to ATTRACT a person to your field of experience is not by accident created. Certainly  there is a connection invibrational level of this two person which are coming together acoording to their vibrational desires.

So my question after reading this is ...........

When we are attracted to another person and even though the other person don't feel the same about us, but it still means that there is something in them that attract us to them ??

sorry if my question sounds confusing ......... or perhaps it's just an essense of that person that makes us feels attracted to them .......

Your kind explaination will be much appreciated.

Sorry to the original poster of this thread, I think my question is a bit of of your topic.
::facelick Hope you don't mind me "borrowing" your thread.  ::TU

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 12:28 pm
 Yes I think that the vibrational tone we are emitting  attract this kind of behaviour.  In this case you describe the other person is helping you to align yourself with the source and to create an more expanding  joyfull experience. You have to thank him/her for showing to you that you are going upstream. Appreciation is the key/ Appreciate the other for provoking you to launch a new more aligned rocket of desire and trust. lET YOURSELF FLOW WITH THE CURRENT AMD RELAX.

Thank you for asking
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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 12:30 pm
 :beautiful:When you think of anything or anybody you activate their vibration in you, by the law of attraction all things on that vibrational frequency that match are attracted to you.... however when you at the same time activate a vibration of the lack of them - you now cannot attract it - so the 'winning' vibration, the one that suceeds in coming to you, is the one you focus on most...

Are you thinking 51% at least about your desire... or the lack of it?:)

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:57 pm
A question to what you have said. It is possible the reverse happened?. That is the person to whom someone cast a spell on by the low of attraction  and in resonance with the caster vibrational tone to provoke the caster to cast a spell on him?
Thank you
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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 09:39 pm
In the research I've done on the occult and spell casting (which is somewhat limited, I'll admit), it's been my understanding that it's along the same lines as what Abe teaches. You cannot MAKE someone fall in love with you if they are not somewhat inclined to do so... what you CAN do is focus your energy on feeling more attractive, confident, sexy, etc and that will attract people to you, and possibly even the person you have your eye on.

So these love spells are really there to boost your own confidence and magnetism.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 09:52 pm
Good Vibrations wrote: In the research I've done on the occult and spell casting (which is somewhat limited, I'll admit), it's been my understanding that it's along the same lines as what Abe teaches. You cannot MAKE someone fall in love with you if they are not somewhat inclined to do so... what you CAN do is focus your energy on feeling more attractive, confident, sexy, etc and that will attract people to you, and possibly even the person you have your eye on.

So these love spells are really there to boost your own confidence and magnetism.
I have to strongly disagree with you on this one Good Vibrations::chin! It has nothing to do with yourself, you are where you are when you cast a spell, something is clearly done to the other person. I've cast spells in the past, I speak from experience.  Even though I cast spells in the past and they always gave me my desired outcome I never really knew how they actually manipulated another persons mind, feelings and body (everything basically) and made them the person that I wanted them to become, that's why I brung up this Topic. My theory is that since we are all made of pure energy, we can also manipulate each other with our intentions just as we can manipulate any other non-human thing with our intentions & beliefs. I am definitely going to ask Abraham this next time I see them!!!! May Peace & Abundance be with you!:kiss:

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WinnerIneverysense wrote:  My theory is that since we are all made of pure energy, we can also manipulate each other with our intentions just as we can manipulate any other non-human thing with our intentions & beliefs. I am definitely going to ask Abraham this next time I see them!!!!

We are so powerful that we can create and attract anything or anybody by the vibrations we offer....

So - there is no need to manipulate anything! A person who knows their own power would never do that.
::downstream Manipulation =upstream... attraction =downstream!

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 10:06 pm
WinnerInEverySense: what's true for you in this case is not true for me. And that's fine:)

When you believe something (as you seem to believe about spells and manipulation of others), you create evidence that proves your belief.

When I believe something different, I create and notice evidence that proves my belief. Isn't it funny how that works?

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 10:18 pm
Good Vibrations wrote: WinnerInEverySense: what's true for you in this case is not true for me. And that's fine:)

When you believe something (as you seem to believe about spells and manipulation of others), you create evidence that proves your belief.

When I believe something different, I create and notice evidence that proves my belief. Isn't it funny how that works?
Good Vibrations, we also have to realize that some things are FACT. You cannot necessarily say what you are saying without having any magic experience (from what you've said you've only researched it). I'm speaking from a point of personal experience & I've seen people get manipulated in every way possible because of someone else's spell. I'm talking about spells that I did not cast, meaning I'm witnessing someone else under spell THAT WAS CASTED BY SOMEONE ELSE. So what I'm trying to say is that magic spells are real, you can manipulate other people's minds, bodies and feelings using magic, its a proven fact to the millions and millions of people who practice magic around the world today. You seem to come at this topic from a point of opinion when in fact this is a FACT. Though I respect your opinions I slightly disagree with them.:allgood May Peace & Abundance be with you Good Vibrations! Remember to always go downstream!!! ::downstream

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 Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 11:01 pm
A fact may be fact for one person, but not for another. Again, what you believe is fact will continue to give you results and evidence of its factfulness.

So for you, it is fact. Fair enough.


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