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Infinitelove
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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:41 am
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Was at a Catholic Good Friday service tonite and as I was observing the focus of all the participants, I got to thinking about all the claims made by this church with regards to exorcisms, et. al.

Has anyone ever heard of Abraham speaking to this topic?

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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 05:41 am
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Those "possesed" people are just exagerated versions of disconnected ones, because there is no source of sickness... no source of darkness but there is a source of light and well being :)


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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:04 pm
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Having been raised Catholic as a child and then joining a very private biblical religious group for 17 years after that, I have had my share of being told about the 'devil' 'demons' demonic everything.....

I wrote down an Abe quote awhile ago for my youngest daughter who has somewhere heard this notion of heaven and hell.  Amazing how quick our human nature is to pick this one up.

Here's the quote

"The devil is a  fictional character made up by insecure humans to control other insecure humans.  There's alot of power in fear, isn't there? Three shouldn't be, as fear is 'power-less'....only well-being flows from Source'

I didnt' note when this was said but if I find it, I will post it as I am sure there was more.  I pulled this out as it was the simplest part for a nine year old to understand.

Precious

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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:03 pm
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Thank you for the responses, however I'm looking for the explanation of the phenomenon of exorcism & what causes such EXTREME phenomenon to occur.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 07:27 pm
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Abraham says there is only a source of well-being - there is no other source. They have also said that every thought that was ever thought still exists and becomes thinkers themselves, and that people who do atrocious things, such as Hitler, are in a place of extreme disconnection. I don't think I've ever heard them address exorcisms, but I suppose it would be possible for someone who is disconnected or in the right (or wrong) vibration to line up with dark thoughts someone else has had and let it into their reality.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 08:29 pm
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Infinitelove wrote: however I'm looking for the explanation of the phenomenon of exorcism & what causes such EXTREME phenomenon to occur.
Im assuming you mean the actual possession of the body. What is that being wanting to convey by creating such a state of distress? That is a physical manifestation of all the fear,doubt,lack,hate and strong discordance that can be stored up and expressed so intensely(temper tantrum). Its very ugly in humans. As far as the religious ritual is involved, I understand that may be an effective method or rather a desperate attempt to bring one back into alignment/balance for the sake of all involved. You can research exorcism to get more information then compare it what you have learned from Abraham. When you feel an aligned connection to any information, do your best to integrate it.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 09:36 pm
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journey wrote: Abraham says there is only a source of well-being - there is no other source. They have also said that every thought that was ever thought still exists and becomes thinkers themselves, and that people who do atrocious things, such as Hitler, are in a place of extreme disconnection. I don't think I've ever heard them address exorcisms, but I suppose it would be possible for someone who is disconnected or in the right (or wrong) vibration to line up with dark thoughts someone else has had and let it into their reality.
Exactly.  Your answer is pretty much right here.  Abraham HAS been asked this, or similar.  I bet you can find in by searching on the A-H website.  Abraham says continually that there is no "assertion."---Nothing mysteriously asserts itself in our lives. 

I think I have heard Abraham say pretty much the same thing that Jesus said in the story about the demons that he [Jesus] "removed"  from a person's "house" [i.e. his beingness] (by his 10,000 watts of vibrational energy), as Abraham has described it [again from what *I* remember hearing])---

When the demons had left the 'house' [i.e,, the person's vibrational field]---the "doors" were "left open" and seven times MORE demons came in and "possessed" the "house." [Seven being a 'magical' number in the storytelling tradition---it just meant a whole lot more problems took hold in the person's circumstance. 

In other words, the person did not have the self-discipline to focus attention elsewhere, and soon connected right back in to where he/she was focused before Jesus's intervention, felt overwhelmed and engulfed. 

The BELIEF in powerlessness leads to more despair and disconnect.

And---when you believe in the power of the illness or of the mental state, that somehow it is greater than your own power to focus on what is wanted, then it has gained even MORE power!

Belief in "demons" and "possession" is just another way of giving up power to others to "control" you.  And belief that some other besides oneself has the "power" to "remove" them is just a corollary to that.

Church activities that focus on this kind of 'warfare' are actually based on a duality matrix that is premised on a system of "Power-Over"---thoroughly imprinting the "believers" that they, in and of themselves, are lower than worms under the belly of a snake, and therefore utterly dependent upon doing what they are told. 

You just cannot contemplate this kind of question without examining Church history.

Follow the money on that one! 

The think to keep in  mind is that the Garden of Eden story has a point---when humans have a vibration of separation from Who They Really Are, they are in a duality matrix (AKA "good and evil"), and thoughts related to either end of that stick can increase and multiply by attention to them.

The translators of the Bible often referred to this as "Heaven" and "the world"---("I give peace, not as the world gives, ".....etc.).

 

 

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 Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 09:58 pm
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I don't know of any quotes, but I feel i've learned this from Abraham: Everything is vibration and everything is thought. Some of it is thought upon long enough to become denser thought-form and some even denser becoming physical.

A lot of people had been lead away from the idea of their own power to create - someone else's fault, someone else's power, etc. It seems to me that with a strong belief in an "evil force" (thought on by many), along with a strong belief in one's own powerlessness and worthlessness, one could so totally surrender themself as to be "taken over" or possessed by some alien power that is stronger than they believe they are. They could join in the collective consciousness thoughtform of "evil" and have it manifest in them. It would still be that person doing it, but they would believe something else was doing it, because they believe so much in their own lack of power and the ability of outside forces to control their life. It's kind of the ultimate example of powerlessness and the belief that outside forces (something other than yourself) control your life.

Why not be "possessed" by an angel? Probably because there is a strong belief that "I'm not good enough - I Must, therefore, be over-run by something "bad"".

Love and Light,

Richard


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