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joy29
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 04:16 am |
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| i am so curious of abe's view on abortion, i have a friend considering one, and see that there are several mentions of it on cd past, has anyone heard these or know what abe has to say on this subject, some words of wisdom will help my friend now, thanks...
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Tracy
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 04:44 am |
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From the Hay House series, Having Appropriate Desires.
The guest in question is having trouble with her 10 year old daughter and the mother's inability to connect with her. Abe dialogued with the guest for quite sometime about the relationship between daughter and mother and then asked the mother some pointed questions. The word "abortion" was never used, but it was my strong sense this mother had had several prior to the birth of her daughter.
Abe: How old was she when you met her?
Guest: She's one who my husband and I channeled, several times, before she physically arrived in her body. So, of the two, she's the one who I've had a very long relationship with before coming here and it has incredible depth and richness....
Abe: What were you asking for as you summoned her to come forth? Do you remember?
Guest: (quite uncomfortable) I...don't remember...there's not so many words... Love.
Abe: The reason we're asking is because as you were channeling her what kinds of conversations were you having?
Guest: Predominantly, at the time, I recall, we were letting her know that the time was not right. Because, she would come in and I wasn't ready for that, you know, that...it seemed I wasn't ready, so I made another choice. And, I think that happened three times. So, it seemed like a lot of the communication was 'We love you;' "We cherish you;' there was my upbringing that said that you didn't do this, you didn't have a child with a man until you were married, so there was all sorts of signals I was responding to, so a lot of the communication at that time was loving and embracing and, but not yet, please don't come now, I'm not ready yet, wanting you, loving you, but this isn't the right time. Don't come yet, wanting you, loving you, but don't come, could you please wait, wanting you, loving you...
Abe: And, so now what do you think? Is it time? We can feel that that's part of that reluctance, just a little bit. You can feel that pretty well, can't you?
(Guest is crying)
Abe: Now, it wasn't you job to orchestrate that and you couldn't orchestrate it anyway, that it's fine to say that's the way you want it, but you were not holding anyone back. Everything was unfolding perfectly and that her coming forth came in the perfect time. She comes in response to so many things you're asking for. You are all powerful teachers wanting to have this experience together, you see.
Hope this provides you with some value.
Tracy
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rocknrollgoddess
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 04:45 am |
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abe has often said that spirits incarnate into the physical and transition into the non-physical just as easily...back into pure positive energy...spirits can and do incarnate in order for someone to experience what your friend is going through--they do so willingly and with much joy to assist that individual in what they chose to experience in their physical lives...
if your friend sits on the idea of pregnancy and experiences extreme resistance and pain, then their choice should be abortion...i know that in this day and age, that sounds cold and callous, but it is always about what is RIGHT FOR THAT PERSON and brings them the most relief.
i have a dear friend who had twins at 6 months...they were suffering and they were in the NICU for over 8 weeks before she could bring them home--she suffered a great deal of stress during that time and became pregant again soon after--she had a sonogram and then an amnio and it showed that that baby, which wasnt planned was a downs syndrome and had limited renal system....she chose to abort--because she had already suffered so greatly with challenging babies...i counceled her that that was the best choice and that that spirit would incarnate again in another form and be in a better place...since then, she has had another child and it was perfectly healthy and happy...
i had another friend who got pregnant in high school and chose to abort--she broke up with the guy--moved on...and in later years realized she was still in love with this man and married him and have four beautiful children...
if pregnancy is right--its right--if its not--there are options...and the spirits are perfectly happy to play the games necessary to find the right situation to incarnate...
please tell your friend that what she feels in her GUT is the right thing to do...you are a great friend to be supporting her...much blessings on you and your friend.
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 10:19 am |
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Hi Joy,
here is a quote for you, from recording 2/21/04-B.
"Well here's the thing. You are either free to be the creator of your experience or you are not. And, you come together in co-creation and the thing that so many people feel about the subject of abortion is that it is a wrongdoing to another and we say: you have to understand that any energy that is coming forth into this fetus is fully aware from that broader... perspective of what's happening here.
In other words, if you think someone like Abraham can foretell the future experience you've got to understand that any energy coming forth into some womb of some woman knows exactly where it's going and would not come forth if they were not fully aware of what the probable outcome would be. In other words, there is no miscreating in any of that."
I have heard Abraham say that many women decide about it based on how they feel at the moment and that it would be a good idea to imagine things after the baby is born, to imagine daily life and all that, to see how that feels to them, and decide based on that.
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 11:45 am |
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| thank you for the loving response, she had decided it would be best to abort for many reasons and then went for necessary counseling before you can have one and they did a sonogram and she saw it and is now so sad because she said it became a baby to her in that moment, i like that last response that women need to picture life after the baby because she is just feeling guilt wanting to keep it..........thanks to you all......
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 12:07 pm |
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Joy29, you don't say whether your friend has studied the Abraham materials or feels drawn to them in any way. If she is attracting Abe's message, she will "hear" what they say, and if not, she won't. And that's fine either way. But at any rate, Abraham has said many many times that there is no "soul" or non-physical entity or group of entities "attached" to a physical body until BIRTH. So that during gestation, the fetus truly is "just" part of the mother. It's just a potential. And there is NO LACK of more of those where that one came from, to put things almost crudely, but truthfully. The mother should decided to continue the pregnancy based on whether she wants to be a mother in whatever amount of time is left before the potential birth. She should decide based on what SHE WANTS - because simply put - there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG in this decision. The "baby" really could not care less, nor could Abraham/God/Source/AllThatIs, because as already said - there is NOT lack for bodies that can be utilized by a "soul" that wants to come forth.
Tell your friend to be SELFISH. Tell her to sit for a day with the vision of herself as a mother, and then to sit for a day with the vision of herself baby-free. Which feels better to her at this time? Whichever it is, that's her "hell yes". The other is her "hell no". It really is not more complicated than that, and if she starts applying "right and wrong" to the decision, she's out on a limb that has nothing to do with Abraham's teaching.
And by the way, Joy29, Welcome to the Abe Forum!!!
Enjoy!!
Jody
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Posted: Thu Sep 6th, 2007 04:00 pm |
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I don't know if this will help, or even apply since I did not get an abortion. AND if she is not an Abe minded person, it would be weird to her anyway, but I need to mention, it's always been something that was wonderful driftwood or so I thought. Because at the time he and I were a 'secret'.
I had a shocking pregnancy, I was only a month or two along, I was 43.
I could not have the baby, and yes, to me it always is a baby, especially since my daughter and I bonded and communicated from day 1.
It was my lover's uncle wanting to come back. I knew my lover was not stable enough to be a father again, and I was not gonna bring a child into the world again without a partner, and I did not want to abort. I simply did not. That was MAJOR upstream for me, major, and I wanted downstream.
I wanted the easy way out. EASY. So I talked with his uncle, and found him a fun but pushy guy. I said NO, hell no, you see how your nephew is, and how I do NOT want this!!
And he left. It was so early, I did not even need a d&c. Which would have also been MAJOR upstream. Plain and simple. That was around a valentines day and I have only told one other living soul since then almost 10 years ago.
Love and hugs,
Ruth
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Gabby
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 08:10 am |
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I had such a personal experience about the absolute non-judgement around abortion.
I was meditating a couple of years ago (was in a workshop so the energy was pretty powerful) I saw myself as a soul come to my mother and then leave (I knew in my meditation that she had had an abortion. On a soul level there was no judgement AT ALL just a sense that the timing wasn't right and that I'd come back when it was right for me to stay on the planet for longer. I then saw myself come back to my mother a couple of years later.
I wasn't sure what to make of all of this and it was only when I spoke to my mother that I found out that she had had an abortion at age 21 when it was just not the right time for her to have a baby. I came back to her when she was 30, clearly my desire to have her as a mother was strong and from soul perspective the time inbetween was of no consequence.
From that moment on, I have so understood the process of sould coming and going as they choose and being free to experience 5 minutes, 50 years or just a little time in the uterus. Very cool, very liberating.
so much love
Gabby
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 04:15 pm |
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thank you for all the comforting loving responses.....i now feel good about the subject and am able to support her.....she is an abe person to some extent...in theory more than in practice....but now is her chance to step up, i think this is an experience she created to get her to the next level of really putting into practice her thoughts and her opinion of herself....thank you, this is a marvelous forum for helping and you are all loved and appreciated....today's quote from abe just said it all.....
Make a decision of what you want, give your attention there, find the feeling place of it -- and you're there instantly. There is no reason for you to suffer or struggle your way to or through anything. --- Abraham
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rocknrollgoddess
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 09:30 pm |
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ruth, peace to you--so happy that you knew how to handle your situation...i also had a baby that was coming at the wrong time...it realized it and went back to the ether...and i am sure it has found its perfect family somewhere else...my daugher often talks to its spirit in her dreams...he would have been 6 this year--and his name was owen...in her dreams he claims the name and asks her what its like to really hug mommy;.....
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 11:55 pm |
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thanks rrg, it was downstream for me to talk to him and ask him to leave. I just knew he would. No biggie. He was a bit stubborn and pushy at first, but then I had not come back to Abe, and I believed/knew 'spirits' differently than I do now.
I highly reccomend it. It was easy. I could not have 'done' an abortion. That was and still is extremely upstream for me. I look on it as simply telling/asking.
It was like when I was little and my mother beat me. I never knew what she wanted. I would say, hey, just ASK, or TELL me. "Spirits" so to speak are easier than that even. Thank goodness I am a toaster that likes connecting with the electricity. 
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Ruth
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 01:04 pm |
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wow these are amazing stories and they bring me a lot of relief to the worries I have been having lately.
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