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ShariBlake
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 Posted: Fri Dec 7th, 2007 02:55 pm
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Hey lovely ones!

I am in the middle of a desire for direct Abraham quotes on Jesus!

Does anyone have any?

Here are a few tasty-looking questions by others I saw while browsing early Abraham recordings available the A-H website that I thought would be fun to post here. Maybe you guys have these tapes or have similar answers to these questions!:

What is Abraham's version of the christmas story ?1990/12/07

1991/11/10

What is the role of the Virgin Mary?

What is the role of the historical Jesus?

1998/08/01 Los Angeles, CA - Would Jesus do it differently this time?

1996/06/01 What was Christ's message?

Thanks!

Shari

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 Posted: Fri Dec 7th, 2007 03:42 pm
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Sweet Shari -

Here's a quote I posted a while back, but in it Abe talks about who Jesus was:

Guest: I came here with some skeptism because I don't really believe in channeling... And... (laughter from crowd) coming from a Christian background, I was taught that this is "new age" and...

Abe: Well, where does the Christian religion get it's knowledge?


Guest: From the scripture. From the bible.

Abe: But where did those come from?

Guest: Uh....

Abe: Channeling. (loud applause)

(a little later...)

Abe: Anytime anyone looks outside of themselves for guidance they always get less than when they are looking for it within. And there are many people that look for guidance within religion and find it. You have found guidance there. You have found clarity there. You weren't making wrong choices.

Guest: So, I'm kind of confused. Who is God? Who is Jesus? What's heaven and hell?

Abe: God is source energy and the culmination of all that you are. God is expanding here today in this room.

God expands each time you live something not wanted and prefer something more. Even if you are the one-celled oemeba (sp?) in the ocean - God expands in that too.

Jesus is a physical human, like you, who came forth into this environment, like you, to understand who he is and how he fits into all of this. And he banged around like you for a long time also, and then removed himself from the chaos of all that and went away and was taught by others to meditate and get inside himself, where he closed that vibrational gap and connected with source in the way that Esther is doing here and in a way that every one of you can too.

And, he said that to all of you. The kingdom of heaven is within you. It is not that which is outside of you. When he says Turn the other cheek, he's talking about turning your canoe into the flow. He's talking about not pushing against. In other words, he is not different from that which you are.

Heaven is the illusion that physical man has about what it will be like when he no longer has resistance. Heaven is an illusion in the sense that it is not a place, but it is certainly a state of being. And, heaven exists right here on earth or exists here, where we are.

Heaven is the state of non-resistance, you see. And hell is the fiction of man's disconnected mind. There is no such thing as hell.

(thunderous applause)

And, you know it. Think about it. You knew that every time somebody tried to teach you about that you got your knot in your stomach and what was that know telling you? That knot was telling you that you were activating a vibration about a subject and your source was not going there.

In other words, source says there's no such thing. There's no such thing. There's no such thing. And, as you are trying to teach yourself that there is, you create a crevace between you and you. And, when we said that just now it felt to us as if you said, "Hell Yes."

(applause)    4/29/06 Asheville, NC

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 Posted: Fri Dec 7th, 2007 08:58 pm
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Oh Steph!

Thank you, thank you for sharing that quote!
Christianity has played a large role in my past and
Man!... Was that good to read!
I could feel it in my solar plexus.
::wow:shock:::wow

::heartsNatty

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 Posted: Fri Dec 7th, 2007 10:30 pm
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WOW Steph if that was not gap closing then I do not know what is!

That felt amazing!

Thank you so much!

Shari

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 Posted: Fri Dec 7th, 2007 10:40 pm
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Steph wrote:

Jesus is a physical human, like you, who came forth into this environment.....he closed that vibrational gap and connected with source in the way that Esther is doing here and in a way that every one of you can too.
::wow Steph, you would never believe it but this answers my internal question " Could I have the same good-feeling connection Jesus had when he was physical!" This is perfect. Jesus was in a state of non-resistance and he was channeling from Broad perspective! Sounds like fun to me.That is so clarifying!, Thank you.


Heaven is the illusion that physical man has about what it will be like when he no longer has resistance. ::wow Heaven is an illusion in the sense that it is not a place, but it is certainly a state of being. And, heaven exists right here on earth or exists here, where we are.
::lightMMMMMMMMMM, Yummy, Yes Please!

It is always good-feeling to remind myself that Esther & Jerry really are no different from me and that I can achieve that state of ecstatic bliss & brilliance & clarity that they are!

I can only imagine what lies before me!

Shari

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Shari wrote: ::wow Steph, you would never believe it but this answers my internal question " Could I have the same good-feeling connection Jesus had when he was physical!"

Woo-Hoo!! I'm so glad that quote hit the spot for you, dear Shari!!! Your excitement comes thru so strongly!!

:kiss:

I would love to see more related quotes!!

In joy, Steph

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I looooooovvvveee this!!! Keep it coming. I too have the Christian background and am still coming to grips with how I know, live and love LOA (specifically Abrahams messages), but what the heck Jesus was trying to tell us? I'm still working on "no one comes to the Father but through me."Is that saying, "no one will truly feel the energy and love of source until they go within and allow the flow of it" (as Jesus did)

Or are we just twisting words to make us feel better about our beliefs. Hmmm...loads of questions. Thanks, Shari, for opening this up.

Kim

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BUMP!

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ShariBlake wrote: What is the role of the Virgin Mary?



Hi Shari ::wave  I posted this quote about Jesus and the Virgin Birth back in July -here it is again:

Guest asking about the Bible and the bloodlines of Jesus and the Virgin Birth.  And if Joseph was the biological father of Jesus.

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.We understand why different historical figures are meaningful in your Now experience because they were catalysts of expansion.  Every now and again someone comes forth and the clarity of their connection from Source Energy is extraordinary and there is a sort of renaissance of thought.  A sort of quantum leap of thinking.  But the thing that we want you to hear from us, because this is the most significant thing we could give you about one called Jesus, or one called Buddha, or one called Mohammed - there are so many that are used as symbolic masters to humans in later generations.  The thing we most want you to hear is that it is not the biological blood lineage that is important.  It is the spiritual lineage that is important.  In other words the stream of Source does not follow any bloodline.  It follows energy paths.


Guest:  But to make you a Kennedy you need a Kennedy bloodline.

Abe:  But why is that significant?  Why is it significant to be a Kennedy?

Guest:  Or to be the Son of God?  I mean the whole Jewish Bible is based on genealogy.  That whole Source Energy is being passed down from generation to generation with a blessing, or… you know what I mean?

Abraham:  Well, the Source Energy is passed on to everyone, always, no exceptions.

Guest:  So I should get over the Virgin Birth and Joseph?  (audience laughter)  Should I just let that go?  I mean its not possible?  Joseph and Mary had sex and Jesus was born?  I mean that really is important to me….

Abraham:  We have not come here with any intention of disturbing comfortable beliefs that are working for you.  What we are suggesting to you is that, always, in an attempt here and now, to express into a physical format that which we know from our nonphysical format, there has to be some basis of understanding from which you ask and some basis of understanding from which you receive.  And it is not an easy thing to purely translate nonphysical into physical.  In other words one of the strongest basis of that which we offer is - we cannot answer a question that you have not asked.  So when you ask activate a question we must give you the response from our point of knowing.

And thru time, as man has attempted to place himself in the greater scheme of things, often extraordinary distortion comes forth.  In trying to understand this - then this must be so.  And in trying to understand this - then this must be so.  And we are not very good perpetuators of distortion in order to maintain beliefs that don’t really matter all that much anyway.

When you step back from the details of this story, and granted its an important story.  When you step back from the details of this story and you think about life on planet earth – now that’s a story.  That’s a story that you can get your teeth into.  In other words, there is evidence of life on planet earth.  You see your earth spinning in its orbit.  You’re beginning to understand the weather patterns.  You’re beginning to understand your history.  You have evidence of man on this earth for generations.  You see the births of animals and people and trees.  You get a sense of the way things are working.  And we say - very long-time planning, very long-time orchestration, very long-time creation in place, before man even got here and established physical experience thru which nonphysical energy pours forth.

(The following is spoken with much emphasis and passion.)

And ALL of it is Godly.  And ALL of it is spiritual.  In other words, there is nothing in all of the Universe more spiritual than the union of male and female.  And the conception of a new fetus into which more God-Force and Source Energy comes forth.  In other words, there is nothing more significant than that.  It is the perpetuation of your species.  It is the perpetuation of life on Planet Earth!  And the coming forth of the spirit into those cells, into those energies, into that consciousness.  In other words, THIS IS GOD-FORCE, THIS IS CREATION, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY.  This is “The Plan”!  This is the WAY THAT IT IS.

And how man ever gets to this place where he needs the Son of God to come forth into this Godly extension in a way that is other than ALL THAT IS.  Creation has already for EONS established to be the preface or the basis for that.  How man comes to the place where he needs to say “Oh well yes that’s the way it has been for everything except just this one.  This one is the exception to that.”  And we say - Why does there need to be an exception?  An exception to the Sacred and Magnificent Creation of this Universe you see?

There is something lost in the translation.  That very One begged: “Please do not set me up as something that is different from that which you are.  Please let me be the example of all that you are.”

Guest: (sounding somewhat subdued) OK then.  The miracles - I always thought of Jesus, as maybe his vibration was so in-tune that…

Abraham:  We are not denying the achievement of Alignment and the subsequent response to the achievement of that Alignment.

-- 5/10/03A, Tarrytown, NY  ::hearts

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 Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 07:49 pm
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::wow

Thanks New Dawn !

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Thank you for the quote, Dawn, and to all of you for this thread. It has me buzzing.

Love,
Christine

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I don't think Abraham has said much about this, but St. Germain has been asked....And what I recall is that Mary and Joseph were both "Masters" of spiritual matters, who had many lifetimes of training, and their child, Jesus, was attracted to come forth to them. 

Understand that in the Greco-Roman  world into which these stories were released, there were many thousands of years of "believing" that humans were god-like, (hmmmm. sounds like Abe), and that was expressed by 'stories' of gods attracted to very special women to bring forth their outstandingly gifted offspring.

So it was only natural for the story about Joseph and Mary and Jesus to come out as it did.  Jesus is reputed to have said, "Have I not told you, you are as gods?"---Magnificent Creators.

So the myth and the magic and the reality are SO intertwined...Each of US is also a "god" who has come forth to Teachers [parents] to whom we are also theTeacher. 

The bloodline thing was an obsession of a  patriarchial, agrarian community of that era.  Just talk to a  farmer today about the animals....they are still very important to "good stock."

I wouldn't lose any sleep over all this.  All of life is so magick-al.

Pat

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 Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 11:05 pm
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Shari - this may be an obvious point - but have you heard the tape "christ consciousness"?   It is part of the (I think) second series of basic questions that Abraham answered.  There were 2 - 10 tape series of basic questions that Jerry asked Abraham to sort of set a basis of understanding - one tape is on the body, one on mating etc....  anyway there is one on christ - and I think you might find it helpful.  PM me if you want the dates/specifics...

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 Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 02:31 am
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 What message could Jesus have been trying to convey approximately 2000 years ago that would be above and beyond what Abraham is conveying today?

 Rick

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Rick,

In a way, you nailed it! 

 But also, there remains the very intriguing question of Jesus's demonstration that we never die .  It was such an EXTREME way to get the message across.

Not to mention  that Jesus displayed many manifestations of how Alignment results in  manifestations, as well as manifestations of bilocation and teleporting.  Things that people were told were "miracles," so of course today millions of people still ponder on this.

And so is is  Abraham students today are asking about how they can live the same magick. So it's the role model aspect of Jesus that interests me.

Pat 

 

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 So how do we separate the fact from the fiction of all the stories that have been told? Abraham said to me in the hot seat that the exaggeration around his life is enormous. It was in that moment that I realized that the questions I was asking about Jesus were based upon assumptions made about stories that have been handed down and that I didn't actually know facts around any of this. It was almost as if I was asking questions about hypothetical situations. 

 I suppose if I were still interested in analyzing Jesus and accuracy was important that I would ask Abraham to write a book about him and then I'd ask my questions based upon that. And the only reason I would consider that accurate is because I believe Abraham. And then Abraham would say to me, "We are really not that excited about writing a book about what has been."

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I love Shari for starting this thread!  It is quite fun to ponder all of this.

I love all of you who posted such amazing quotes and responses!  (Especially Rick!)

And, I love Jesus for being the amazing being he was and IS.  For teaching others of the beauty and power within all of us to receive joy.

And, I love Abraham for their love and gentlesness with all of us!

"We have not come here with any intention of disturbing comfortable beliefs that are working for you.  What we are suggesting to you is that, always, in an attempt here and now, to express into a physical format that which we know from our nonphysical format, there has to be some basis of understanding from which you ask and some basis of understanding from which you receive.  And it is not an easy thing to purely translate nonphysical into physical.  In other words one of the strongest basis of that which we offer is - we cannot answer a question that you have not asked.  So when you ask activate a question we must give you the response from our point of knowing.

And thru time, as man has attempted to place himself in the greater scheme of things, often extraordinary distortion comes forth.  In trying to understand this - then this must be so.  And in trying to understand this - then this must be so.  And we are not very good perpetuators of distortion in order to maintain beliefs that don’t really matter all that much anyway."         5/10/03-A Tarrytown, NY

"And, he said that to all of you. The kingdom of heaven is within you. It is not that which is outside of you. When he says Turn the other cheek, he's talking about turning your canoe into the flow. He's talking about not pushing against. In other words, he is not different from that which you are."    4/29/06  Asheville, NC

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Tracy

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 Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 12:31 pm
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Thanks Pat, Jesus is a mentor of sorts for me. I am really curious to hear all of the delicious interaction between thirsty "greedy" ones as myself and wise all knowing Abraham.

I agree with Tracy that Abraham treats this subject delicately... sometimes I wish they would be more descriptive or more direct.

Perhaps I will be one of those who gets to ask them one day.

Jesus is still alive in non-physical today even if he has been physically "dead" for thousands of years. Abe says what he & other masters know has grown & expanded and they are up to speed with helping those who ask for wisdom/guidance that they may successfully apply now!

All is well, I really appreciate your answers!

Love,

Shari

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Hey girl, beautiful thread :kiss:

I'd like to share something with you: whenever I talk with Jesus (and sometimes I'm writing it down as I go, or if it is short, I write it down when the conversation is over) I always start by addressing Jesus (like one Being) and then in the end I always get the answer in the plural (like ''we'').

This conversation with Jesus thing has become so regular, that one side of my BOPA notebook is dedicated to ''Conversations with Jesus'', which I, for the reason I mentioned, renamed into ''Conversations with JESOURCEAHAM'' ::LOL

Jesus+Source+Abraham, because the energy that I feel is like all of this ::fireworks 

Now I know that I'm actually talking to myself, because ALL OF THIS is WHO I AM.

And I know that what I get is the real deal because of the way it makes me feel when I receive it, and because the wisdom is just so enlightening.

The first time I had a conversation like this, I got up in the dark, went to the bathroom, and when I came back and turned the light on, the lightbulb exploded ::devil I remember thinking ''Of course, how could I expect this 60W lightbulb to handle such energy in my room'' ::devil Now I don't turn the lights on anymore ::LOL

Lots of love,

Natasha

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ShariBlake wrote:

I agree with Tracy that Abraham treats this subject delicately... sometimes I wish they would be more descriptive or more direct.

Hi Shari!  Of course I don't want to speak for Tracy, but I'm not sure she meant that Abraham "treats this subject delicately".  The quote she posted does speak to the fact that Abraham doesn't want to jog anyone out of their fond beliefs, however I think that Abraham has been quite "descriptive and direct" where it comes to our questions about Jesus, on many many occasions.  And in fact there are times they bring up Jesus when not even in response to a direct question.  Often they will comment on how Jesus "healed" (they don't like that word) by SEEING THE WELL-BEING and holding to that vision so exclusively and powerfully that ill health simply would not abide his presence and a person became well.  They also have said point blank that YES, Jesus is part of the Abraham energy and that when they say "the gang's all here", they are including him!  They say that looking at Jesus from our NOW perspective, 2000 years later is sort of silly (my word) since that was then and this is now! I think this is pretty direct and descriptive!  At a recent workshop Abraham was asked yet AGAIN if Jesus is part of Abraham, and they answered AGAIN, that yes, yes he is.  Then they said (I hope I am quoting perfectly from memory) "But please don't make too big a deal of that or you'll get Esther nailed up again".

In short, really, Abraham has answered this many many times, and in my humble opinion they are very direct about it.  Of COURSE Jesus is still alive! There is no death!  And YES, he is included in the Abraham "group".  They repeat this patiently to us whenever anyone asks.  They don't want to belabor the point, because again, as Rick said in his way, and Abraham reminds us often in THEIR way THAT WAS THEN AND THIS IS NOW!

Personally, I believe that Jesus was not projecting 2000 years into the future when he was here physically teaching as Jesus.  And you never hear Abraham doing that either.  In fact when people have asked (David once asked on the hotseat by the way) what will happen to "the teachings" when Esther croaks, they always say please don't worry! There will be other teachers for other times.  All in perfect order.  Jesus came in response to the asking that was happening THEN, and Esther brings us Abraham in response to OUR ASKING NOW.  We don't have to worry about future asking, and we certainly don't have to try to make sense about answers that were brought in response to 2000 year old asking! We were not meant to do that!  There is no "lack" of teachers of Universal Truth!  They always have come in response to asking, and they always will! 
Love and More Love,
Jody
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 Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 02:38 pm
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This is indeed a very powerful thread. Many of us felt that "knot" in our stomach when being taught this or that distortion - and didn't want to go along with it, sought more "truth" or aligning ideas. But, the force of that teaching (of distortion) was very powerful. The size of the gap is apparent when we feel that distortion and we sense it being closed. (I don't know if that makes sense to everyone.)

I love that everyone can be "Jesus" too. Now that is inspiring, because our idea of Jesus is so magnificent we all want that clarity and purity.

I also think that, since All That Is is expanding, whatever was given 2000 years ago might be "less" than what we are given today. As has been pointed out, what was given then fit the askers. So too, what is given today, must fit today's askers. Us.

So, if What Was holds you in confusion/resistance, it might be well to let it go, and once again, try to focus on what feels good. That good feeling is our alignment with Source. It's telling us "Yes, go there."

Clarity and Joy,

Richard

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 Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 02:57 pm
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Jody, How is it that you always find the PERFECT words to describe what I'm feeling?  Thank you!!  ::hugging 

I also loved Richard's comments too!  :)

I think understanding Jesus "back then" from our "now" perspective is a bit complicated, but I know that I FEEL good when thinking of his teachings.  I was very fortunate that I did not have a strict religious upbringing so I was able to ponder, search, and feel my way towards what felt like my own "truth".  I always gravitated towards the teachings of Jesus - they just felt so uncoditionally loving and kind.  (I felt so icky when "Hell" was mentioned or judgement or any kind of hatred.....and now I understand that wasn't part of Jesus at all, but rather society or perhaps organized religions way of controlliing more people).

The energy of Abraham and Jesus, IMO, just HAS to be part of the same family of consciousness.  It's that feeling of home, of warm, relaxed KNOWING that everything is fine.....all is well.  I truly believe we were all born with this knowlege that we are good and loved and safe.  The fun part is getting to be out there in the world and mix it up with a little contrast (excitement) and then when we quiet our minds, we can be brought back to that place of serentiy by lining up with source energy.  Oh boy, does that feel good!  Jesus helped so many find that power within and see themselves as he saw them.  I think that is what Abraham is doing now - and, yep, it makes sense since they are the same engery/family!

Shari, I do think it's beautiful you have more questions and because you are asking and allowing, they will, of course, come to you!  Oooh, wouldn't it be fun to get to ask them when you go to a workshop?  You, and all of us will benefit from you desire - so thank you!!

::hearts

With Love,
Tracy

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 Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 03:35 pm
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I must admit, this is a struggle for me.  I have so many years of Christian teaching (including two years of seminary) about Jesus in my head that to let go of some of it does not feel good.  For instance, the issues surrounding his birth (was Mary really a virign, who is the baby daddy, etc).  Even though my consciousness has expanded GREATLY over the last couple of years, I still tend to hold onto the basic beliefs about Jesus, including all the miracles.  This gives me comfort.  It feels good....so for me, I keep it in my belief system.

It's really awesome how I can see Jesus through different eyes now thanks to Abe's teachings!  :)

::musicJen

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 Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 04:18 pm
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Heya, found this Abe quote that you will all like, and it is a recording on Christ Consciousness, Religions & Bibles (but I don't have the date, nor place):

/snip/ So many of your beliefs which are tied to these topics affect what you are bringing into your present life situations. If a group of physical beings were to gather together to experience a controlled event, as they parted, each would leave with a different perspective of what they had experienced, even though the event that was offered was offered to each equally, because what you receive has more to do with who you are and what you believe as you are receiving than it has to do with what is offered. As you leave the event and begin to express to others what you've experienced, each of you would explain it in a different way. And as you express it to others who were not present, you would be able to transmit only a small part of what you actually experienced, because you experience upon many levels, but when you repeat with words what you've experienced you are speaking on only one level. What person you are talking to will receive, has much more to do with who they are and what they believe than with what you are saying to them. And as they repeat the event to the next person, they fill in the missing places and there are many missing places because your words are inadequate. 

(spoken with great passion)
They fill in those missing places with their own beliefs, with their own imagination and with their own intent, until eventually, with only a few generations, separating the originals involved there is tremendous distortion.

(very very passionate, almost scolding)
Do not rely on the explanation of the experiences of others, but seek your own experience, for it is through that that you live that you will gain your knowing! /snip/

 

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And one more Abe quote (from the same recording) that got me real high, while I was writing it down::singer

/snip/As you recognise that that (inner) part of you exists and as you begin to deliberately communicate with that part of you, you become an expanded being, a blended being, and that was indeed one of your dominant intentions as you chose this time to be a part of physical experience on planet Earth.  

There have been many great teachers who've come before, who have allowed this opening, who have become blended beings, but they had been few and in many cases they became great leaders or founders of great new religious thought. You did not emerge into this experience to seek and find such a physical leader. You emerged to open your own passageway to become that blended being yourself, for it is through your own experience that you will gain the knowing, not sitting at the feet of another.  

Great teachers, such as Jesus Christ, provide us with much much more than their words. They provide us with a clear example of their being. There is not death, but eternal life. As you seek the counsel or example of these great teachers, speak with them personally. Let your intent be to experience the clear example of them, rather than the distorted version of them that is offered through years of editing and distorting. Go to the Source of that truth that you seek and find it yourself, and then trust the guidance that comes forth from within you, you may.  

It is a fruitless path that which most physical beings have taken to find a record, no matter how revered, and to try to fit the meaning of those old dusty words into this new and modern time. To read the words that were spoken to others in a time that is not now remotely understood. As you read today, you cannot through words understand the events of those times, you cannot understand the way those people felt and you cannot understand the reason for the words that were spoken in those times, and at best, those words were inadequate even then. They were received on many more than audiable levels.  

As we watch physical man from our broader perspective, we see him clamouring over unimportant details, missing the most important part of the messages of the great teachers. We speak to you not to disuade you from that which you believe but to broaden your perspective that you may understand more. Not to replace old inappropriate beliefs with those more to our liking, but help you to understand more clearly who you are and why you are here in this wondrous physical expression of life. We've not come to debate with you as you do with one another the details of a time that none of you will ever understand, but to remind you that you are here in THIS time to live and to grow and to create and to add unto. We come here not to undermine or to destroy your faith but to straighten your understanding and your faith in yourselves. We come here not to lead you, but to offer YOU the key to leading yourselves. 

You are not here in this new physical life experience to remember what others have lived, you have come here as creators to live.

 

AMEN!

 

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Richard wrote: I love that everyone can be "Jesus" too.
Yes!

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Thank you Ashvata!  That was so beautiful!  ::flowers   That speaks right to my heart.  I loved it! 
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"As we watch physical man from our broader perspective, we see him clamouring over unimportant details, missing the most important part of the messages of the great teachers. We speak to you not to disuade you from that which you believe but to broaden your perspective that you may understand more. Not to replace old inappropriate beliefs with those more to our liking, but help you to understand more clearly who you are and why you are here in this wondrous physical expression of life. We've not come to debate with you as you do with one another the details of a time that none of you will ever understand, but to remind you that you are here in THIS time to live and to grow and to create and to add unto. We come here not to undermine or to destroy your faith but to straighten your understanding and your faith in yourselves. We come here not to lead you, but to offer YOU the key to leading yourselves. 

You are not here in this new physical life experience to remember what others have lived, you have come here as creators to live."

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Natasha. Thank you for those additions. It reads like what I was intuiting this morning. About the time and place and message and current purpose. It was so neat then reading the clarified version in your post!

I think much of the power of these quotes about Jesus (in particular) is that for many, God was "other" than me - it could only be Jesus (or perhaps Gautama Buddha) - but certainly not little ol' me! And this tells us what we've been told before - that we are that which is God. And we've (perhaps naturally) personified God - as Jesus - but again separated IT from us. Understanding that Jesus was one of us and we can be just like him helps to bring it home, that we are God too and we can be blended and we can heal and be healed, etc. We can be (are) God personified.

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Thank you Shari for starting this thread! And thank you .... all of you.... for your quotes and insights!

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Once again I found exactly what I was asking for!   :kiss:

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ashvata wrote:  You did not emerge into this experience to seek and find such a physical leader. You emerged to open your own passageway to become that blended being yourself, for it is through your own experience that you will gain the knowing, not sitting at the feet of another.  



 

Excellent! 

 Natasha,

  Those two posts sound like they are from the "Special subjects, volume one" recordings. One of the cassettes is "Christ consciousness" and it sounds like you have it word for word.

You do good work!

Rick

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Richard said

I love that everyone can be "Jesus" too. Now that is inspiring, because our idea of Jesus is so magnificent we all want that clarity and purity.



And it is my understanding that the phrase translated as "the second coming" is exactly what Richard is describing.  Jesus made it very clear to his students that as was returning to nonphysical they would receive the "comfort" (the word usually used in the English translations) of his continual, clear transmitting, and in fact would get it much more clearly than they did physical-to-physical.   

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patricia b wrote:  Jesus made it very clear to his students that as was returning to nonphysical they would receive the "comfort" (the word usually used in the English translations) of his continual, clear transmitting, and in fact would get it much more clearly than they did physical-to-physical. 


Good point Pat, since there is no death!

Abraham has said that they are an evolved version of CHRIST CONCIOUSNESS

I keep wondering what Jesus would say today to me....

Natasha talks to Jesus (or JESOURCEHAM ::devil ) so maybe some good-feeling, clear one-on-one communication is downstream for me too!

I can't wait!

Maybe Jesus will sound like Abraham?????

I wonder if there is any specific personality differences between the individual members of the Abraham group or if they are so in alignment with one another that they would all sound the 'same' if you tapped into them individualy?

And then everyones ability to translate/recieve is different so I could recieve Abe differently from Esther......

I am quite curious as to how this channeling thing works..

Do you actually 'hear' words or is more of a thought impulse you recieve..

Could you actually separate Jesus from Abraham in a conversation?

I find Abraham through Esther has a very specific personality!

I wonder what Jesus's personality is like: I always feel a sense of great LOVE when I think of him!

This is all very interesting!

Shari

 

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For asseredly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea, and does not doubt in his heart but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says .  Therefore I say to you whatever things you ask for when you pray, believe you recieve them, and you willhave them.  Mark 11:23-24

Ask, and it will be given to you, seek and you will find; knock,and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks recieves,and he who seeks find, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Matthew 7:7-8

I think jesus was teaching exactly what abe is teaching.  WE have to remember that these stories came from 2000 years ago . We all know how quick stories change now, and we have tvs, back then they only had word of mouth. Then only the wealthy could read and write, not to mention the fact that they didnt have copy machines so every copy that was made was hand writen. We have also had to transcribe all of it since then. Also each religion has their own bible with different variations of what jesus was teaching. The first churchs pick and chose scriptures and stories would work for their religion and through the rest out.(kind of a take what you want and leave the rest thing)I think they probably could have added to it to keep folowers in line and to scare them in to chosing their way kind of making it the only way and since the lower class was not very educated and could not read They believed what they were being told. I also believe that some of the strange things could have happend we can make any thing happen if we believe right!

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Fascinating thread! Many of my curiosity questions about this have been satisfied. I love hearing everyone's input and I adore reading the Abe pasages related to this! I completely believe that Jesus and Abraham are the same Energy Stream, of course!

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 We all know how quick stories change now, and we have tvs, back then they only had word of mouth. Then only the wealthy could read and write, not to mention the fact that they didnt have copy machines so every copy that was made was hand writen.
One thing.....in those cultures where the traditions are maintained orally, there has been historically, a good degree of accuracy.  Just for recent verifiable example, take a look at the experience of Alex Haley, the writer.  He remembered his rather short American geneology that he learned from his grandmother, and when he rather miraculously found the location in Africa from which his ancestor, Kunta Kinte, had been abducted, he found the village griot (oral historian), who knew exactly who Alex was and recounted back to him all the names that his grandmother had taught him, and then the griot recounted Haley's geneology for generations and generations and beyond, into the past.

So the accuracy of verifiable data that was kept in oral traditions may be pretty good.

But when you are talking about events, and metaphysical experiences, (such as those around Jesus witnessed) then you have each  individual filter of each observer.  As Abraham so rightly said, "You could have 20,000 people in a stadium all witness the same event, and it is a psychological impossibility for each person to have the same experience of it."  (or something like that)

I think the biggest problem for those of us of European background who have been exposed to the translations of whatever was written in the time of Jesus, is that it came by way of the Greeks, who filtered almost everything through the intellect. 

 Which means that the languaging of the teacher Jesus from the rich, emotionally-based wording of Amaraic (so easy a vehicle for the message of managing your emotions, and believing with a physical passion) was drained of its true meaning when the Greek translations were set up as the "true" translations.

There is a "Peshitta" text, which is a Syrian language, I believe, that the Eastern churches still use, that translates closer to the Amaraic, I believe....

And then, as Amy points out, the materials were "used" to sujugate the people of the Roman Empire with a "religion" that was morphed intentionally into a paradigm of subjugation.

I so enjoyed Jerry's discription of his journey through churches in his early life.  I totally relate!

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ShariBlake wrote: Maybe Jesus will sound like Abraham?????

I wonder if there is any specific personality differences between the individual members of the Abraham group or if they are so in alignment with one another that they would all sound the 'same' if you tapped into them individualy?

And then everyones ability to translate/recieve is different so I could recieve Abe differently from Esther......

I am quite curious as to how this channeling thing works..

Do you actually 'hear' words or is more of a thought impulse you recieve..

Could you actually separate Jesus from Abraham in a conversation?

I find Abraham through Esther has a very specific personality!



Hey sweet Shari, I do it when I'm inspired to do it. You connect with Jesus or Abraham or Source in the same way as you do with your IB, as if you 'log in' into the Universal forum with 'joy' as your password.

Then you ask a question, address it to whomever you want, Jesus or Abraham (the whole group of teachers) or Source (collective consciousness -it's all the same stream really) or it can also be Nikola Tesla, if you're working on a physics project ::devil

You start feeling the answer within you, I personally don't hear any words, the way I function is I translate what I FEEL into words that I'm simultaneously writing down. And I know by the way I feel that what I'm receiving is true for me. And I'm very picky in finding the right words for what I'm feeling, which (I've noticed) keeps the flow there.

Could I actually separate Jesus from Abraham?

You have to know first of all that Abraham and Jesus are Source, they are All-That-Is, consciousness expanding, and we/you/me are all that too, but I could still experience Jesus slightly differently than Abraham, although you cannot separate them - it's like being aware of one specific drop in the ocean of love, but it's all water (my filter).

That's why I could feel like Jesus having a conversation with me, and the rest of the Abraham group listening and adding to it, and in the end it felt like all together being completely aware of this conversation and speaking to me - one stream.

aniheartThere is great love here for you aniheart

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WOW Tasha, you have no idea how helpful that was to me!

I love you,

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 Does anyone else find it interesting that we are using the label of Jesus and Jesus is no longer physically focused. I wonder when Esther is no longer physically focused will we be talking about tapping into the energy of Esther or will we still be calling it Abraham?

 Perhaps it is because we have not been made aware if Jesus had a nickname for his process?

 Jesus, like Esther was not always channeling. And to boot, Jesus did not do it as deliberately as Esther does. Abrahams words to me in the hot seat regarding this  - "His words were - Why have you forsaken me?" That was said by Abraham during a question about how Jesus put himself in the position of a crucifixion "because I know Esther would never put herself in that position" <------ my words to Abraham. And Abraham replied "He was in alignment with what he believed but not in alignment with what he knew. He was born into that prophecy."

 I think what Abraham meant by being in alignment with what he believed was that he believed he was the one in the stories and that the stories had to play out the way they were told or it would invalidate him as being the "Savior."

 The funny thing about the requirement of the story playing out is that (and I am far from being a religiously educated person) there are very large numbers of people that have lived and are still living today that would crucify other role players for their validating participation within the stories. Such as.... Judas? Such as.... the Jews? Some groups point to the prophecies as some sort of proof of the validity of the bible and then condemn the participants involved in carrying out the prophecies. Now that's good stuff!

Rick

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Rick

You quoted:

"He was in alignment with what he believed but not in alignment with what he knew. He was born into that prophecy."

Im curious about this statement: Does anyone come into this world with a prophecy? I thougth Abe has said that our only job is to "be happy"

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Rick and all,

I have heard Abraham say that "Abraham" is Esther's Inner Being, as well as the Inner Beings of those in attendance at the workshops.  Correct?  So yes, it IS kind of amusing to think of future generations intending to channel Esther. 

Personally, I think Jesus allowed the crucifixion to play out as it did, because his teachings were so based on physical demonstrations of the metaphysical principles. 

And yes, as Rick said, he was living that journey in a culture that used the "scapegoat"==literally a real goat that "took on" all the negatives of the group involved with it, and banished it into the wilderness to "get rid of" the bad karma of the group.

And also, I think he was so confident of his ability to change the vibrational frequency of his body so that he could project himself back into physical after his death, that he was willing to do so in order to teach that we don't die. That was the misconception (no pun intended) that he wanted to correct in a very dramatic fashion.

The problem with the effect of his demonstration was that it was so easily adopted by the "scapegoat" mind-set, and HE became viewed as the scapegoat. ("Jesus saves....") Which is very convenient for those who do not want to do the spiritual work themselves.

That's my take at this time....

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Natasha said,

Then you ask a question, address it to whomever you want, Jesus or Abraham (the whole group of teachers) or Source (collective consciousness -it's all the same stream really) or it can also be Nikola Tesla, if you're working on a physics project ::devil

You start feeling the answer within you, I personally don't hear any words, the way I function is I translate what I FEEL into words that I'm simultaneously writing down. And I know by the way I feel that what I'm receiving is true for me. And I'm very picky in finding the right words for what I'm feeling, which (I've noticed) keeps the flow there.



 

Natasha, thank you for explaining this so clearly.  I do this also.  I do my best to be in a good-feeling place, usually by breathing deeply, and consciously, etc, for some time before I write my question.  Then I use my non-dominant hand to start the words that come.  And just like you, I don't know what the words are until just nanoseconds before my hand starts writing. I know that "somebody" other than me is giving me the words, because they are often ideas that I never thought of on my own before, and almost always are suggestions for my life that push me out of my comfort zone.

I have come to have faith and trust that I am connecting in with a larger consciousness when I do this. It's a comfort to me....::ohm

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alixnotes wrote: Rick

You quoted:

"He was in alignment with what he believed but not in alignment with what he knew. He was born into that prophecy."

Im curious about this statement: Does anyone come into this world with a prophecy? I thougth Abe has said that our only job is to "be happy"

Ax ::fairies



Yes Alix,

  I think what Abraham was saying there was that if the physical human Jesus was born in the next town over to a different couple he would have lived a completely different life but the one born to Joseph and Mary will still have been designated as the savior in training. 


 It wasn't as if source had a clump of energy prepared to go into a specific body and it needed to wait until this specific body manifested to carry out some prior instructions. The "prophecy" existed here in the physical and source always fulfills. It was not conjured from the source perspective.

  The non physical source energy is like the water in a stream. When there is an opening, it comes forth. For the water to flow somewhere, there must be a path carved out for it. So likewise, the physical vibrational environment must exist first for the energy to be summoned to it. So imagine as Abraham has said that the baby - all babies - is/are picking up on the vibrations that surround even while in the womb, imagine the vibrations that were going on around this baby!

 Any baby born into that environment under those same conditions and expectations could have carried out the role exactly or nearly as it has been reported.

  Jesus wasn't born with special ability. He went off with others that already had those abilities and they taught him, but those guys are getting very little credit! :) I did not say that in the exact words that Abraham did but if you come on the Alaska cruise I'll bring the recording and we can listen.

 If Jesus would have just followed his bliss then his life would have probably been very different. But, that doesn't make for a very dramatic example of anything. hehe (Pat is going to like that line)

 You see, when Abraham made the statement about him being in alignment with what he believed as opposed to what he knew, I think that what he knew was that his job was to be happy as you said Alix, but what he believed was that it was his job to carry out the role that was laid before him by the hopeful minds of disconnected man.

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alixnotes wrote:
Im curious about this statement: Does anyone come into this world with a prophecy? I thougth Abe has said that our only job is to "be happy"



 Another note on that: We are all born into the prophecy of our vibrational environment. But with the teachings of an Abraham type, we learn that the prophecy changes moment by moment because energy is always in motion and the direction that the prophecy can take is up to the focus of the individual. Perhaps a less dramatic word than prophecy is in order. I wasn't born into a prophecy. I was born into a vibrational arena. That's a little better than "prophecy".

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Rich said,
Jesus wasn't born with special ability. He went off with others that already had those abilities and they taught him, but those guys are getting very little credit! :) 



Yes, St. Germain said that if we want to know more about the spiritual traditions that he studied under, to read the book The Nine Faces of Christ

Another book channelled in the late 18th century, I think, also describes these disciplines that Jesus mastered.  It is written in a style that reflects the Bible language, so some people don't relate to it.  That book is The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus, the Christ.

There is a group of  very attractive spiritual students and teachers called the "Ashayas," who, if I understand correctly, are teaching  principles very, very much the same as Abraham in private groups, (although you can get some books on the basics of their basics), and they say that they got the original teachings from the apostle James, who went to the Himalayan monks after Jesus's death.

Hey, "all things are possible."

Fascinating discussion.

 

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"I Am that I Am"

Hi Pat,

I just thoguht I would mention the following.

I read the "Aquarian Gospel of Jesus, the Christ" when I was in my 20's.  I thought I was reading the Bible.  However, one thing I did during my reading of it, ws to go to bed that night, and repeat to myself "I Am that I Am".  I highly suggest this little exercise to anyone here on the forum.  For this is where it really is all at.  (Note, I didn't really read from the Bible, except for a few times at work...until about two years ago.)

I woke up a bit lat6er, and knew, i had "gone somewhere" and learned some things.

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I know that "somebody" other than me is giving me the words, because they are often ideas that I never thought of on my own before,

That's Infinite Intelligence pouring through you, all of that is you (big smile).

Doesn't it feel enlightening! ::ohm::singer::ohm

Big smooch to you :kiss:

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So many of your beliefs which are tied to these topics affect what you are bringing into your present life situations. If a group of physical beings were to gather together to experience a controlled event, as they parted, each would leave with a different perspective of what they had experienced, even though the event that was offered was offered to each equally, because what you receive has more to do with who you are and what you believe as you are receiving than it has to do with what is offered. As you leave the event and begin to express to others what you've experienced, each of you would explain it in a different way.
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I am a preschool teacher and I can relate to what has been said above. I have 18 kids in my classroom between the ages 3 to 5 (It is a multi-aged Classroom). We are studying about dolphins and On Friday I read them 2 sentences from a book about dolphins. Before I read the 2 sentences I told them that I wanted them to really listen because I was going to ask them questions. I read the 2 sentences and then called them one by one by name and asked them to share with everyone what they heard. 2 kids ( a five year old and a three year old) out of the 18 repeated the words exactly as I had read them, the rest, recalled some words correctly and added their own ideas or previous knowledge they had about dolphins. It was amazing to me as a teacher because it made me realize that even though we (teachers) are offering the same information to kids not everyone is getting it, as it is offered. What an eye opener that was for me.

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It is my understanding and Belief, that Jesus did not perform any miracles at all. It was his ability to cause those people to have a very strong Faith or Belief, that they received their ASKING.

This is what feels right to me, since we Now know, that we cannot create in any other's experience, only our own. But we can influence an understanding or belief, which in turn causes an individual to be Tuned In.

I loved reading the Christ Letters, as they give great insight into the JESUS experience during his physical existence Here.

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It is my understanding and Belief, that Jesus did not perform any miracles at all. It was his ability to cause those people to have a very strong Faith or Belief, that they received their ASKING.

Abraham has said that what we call "miracles" are actually the Laws of the Universe being used by those who have a focused Intention coupled with powerful wanting, plus belief that when there is Asking, there is Giving, and they are ALLOWING.

Dr. Errico Rocco, one of the translators of Aramaic and co-author of the Lamsa Bible, has said that Jesus's miracles occurred because there was a two-way street going on of the BELIEF of those who asked coupled with the KNOWING of Jesus that he and "the father" were One, which ALLOWED the powerful Asking to be Answered. 

This is what I understand InvisibleMan to be saying.

The belief of those who asked Jesus personally had been built up over time by who knows how many times they had witnessed or had credible reports of Jesus's management of vibration and the resulting "miracles."

 

 

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 Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 03:05 am
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

Much Love,

Jeff

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Hey there, Invisible Man. Good to see you. ::wave

Love,
Christine

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Hello Chirstine!  Happy New Year!  Just hanging out here with my family and playing with the puppy before bed time. Wanting more than ever now to become successful with meditation, after reading some of these posts here.

Blessings,

Jeff - Smiling Bigtime

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Well then, Jeff - Smiling Bigtime, you just sent up a lovely rocket of desire.
::rocket

Watch out, here comes what you are wanting! ::devil

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Christine

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dance of joy wrote: Hey there, Invisible Man. Good to see you. ::wave


Love your sense of humour Christine ::LOL

Natasha

 

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OK Christine!  I am ducking a bit here, in case that Rocket turns around and comes back in my direction!  LOL  Hehehehehehe!

Natasha, that is one beautiful smile!

By the way, since mentioning the Christ Letters here in my previous post, I decided to read them again and got into them heavy last evening and will continue with them tonight as well, and just wanted to reiterate just how profound and powerful the lessons or teachings are, as is the Abe messages. I will report back here soon if anything pops up in them that could clarify some of the things people are asking about here regarding whether or not Abe has ever talked about Christ and so forth.

Much Love and Blessings,

Jeff - I AM Now Here


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